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The weird phenomenon of B school students failing!

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Ravi Chandra Kolluri

Is the Fee at XLRI around 19 Lakh rupees.............How can an aspirant from a modest family invest such huge amount where in you get less in return to what you paid ?? 36% of fee hike is really unlikely to happen... Can any one give the true figures

21 Aug 2014, 09.42 AM

Soumya Sarkar

It is indeed such exorbitant amount and thats why students or the future managers from these B schools are more worried about repaying their loans than about contributing new knowledge in managerial science

21 Aug 2014, 10.39 AM

Debasmita Das

Final Year PDGM Student @ IIM Lucknow

I totally disagree with your view. When you are investing so much, it is your responsibility to study and prepare well. No college authority is waiting to fail the students. Faculties are ready to help whenever required. But if the students are not responsible enough to invest time in studies, rather than spent time chilling with friends or partying; the college authority is not to be blamed!!!

21 Aug 2014, 12.49 PM

Abhishek Sharma

Working with an FMCG, MBA from IIM L. Foodie, gamer, traveler, bakar.

The phenomenon is reasonable. You might disagree more, once I will say that at IIM L, one needs to fail in just more than 2 credits to fail the year(it was one credit for the 2014 batch, getting D, minimum passing grade, in 5 courses also does the trick) :) That being said, one needs to put in effort to fail. The basic requirement to pass is just being regular, and not screwing up more than two of quizzes, projects, mid-term, end-term. I had screwed everything except my project in FRA, but had passed comfortably. CAT is fairer to engineers, but MBA is fair to all (in fact, commerce students have an edge - finance, economics, law). The quant of IIM is equally challenging for everyone, engineers hadn't studied significant amount of it before. Despite that, IIM L has a mandatory Quants remedial, before the course starts, for non-engineers and people with below 90%ile in sec-1 of CAT. Pass marks is 35-40 out of 100. After that, if someone fails then the college is not to be blamed; the person had some tragedy, mismanaged his priorities , or just got lucky in the entrance exam. We had a mandatory course on Excel in 1st year. Guess what, some failed even that. Corporate is dissatisfied with MBA grads (they are pretty satisfied with most of the graduates from the two colleges you are talking about), coz some irrational recruiters expect fresh graduates to be role-ready from the very first day, which graduates are not and no form of curriculum can make them. What the curriculum/B-School life does is, to transform the person into a hard-working and resilient person who is good at managing his resources (time, priorities, aspirations). The reasonable recruiters are happy with this, coz graduates are role-ready pretty soon due to the before mentioned traits. A person who can't survive the b-school curriculum, well you do the maths.

21 Aug 2014, 10.12 PM

Sharad Gupta

Associate Professor at Delhi School of Business

Disagree with the author. Any rational recruiter does not recruit any student from any top institute (like IIMs, XLRI, FMS, etc) primarily for the job skills that the article stresses on. Recruiters come to these colleges for finding students with traits of high learning ability, adapting to challenging situations and having high performance standards. Most recruiters go satisfied. The passed out student would have these traits either due to the strict admission process or due to adaptation in 2 years. Job skills for each function and domain can't be learnt during these 2 years. Moreover, job skills do not remain constant. These change every year and sometimes every 6 months so stressing on job skills may not be a great idea. But focusing on working (& passing each trimester) in highly challenging situation with high standards (& high competition) are sure ways of success in future corporate life. These are traits which each top B-school focuses on. If someone believes that one should not need to learn any thing after graduating from a top B-school, then it is a classic case of misplaced expectations.

30 May 2015, 11.32 AM

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Comments
 

Ravi Chandra Kolluri

Is the Fee at XLRI around 19 Lakh rupees.............How can an aspirant from a modest family invest such huge amount where in you get less in return to what you paid ?? 36% of fee hike is really unlikely to happen... Can any one give the true figures

21 Aug 2014, 09.42 AM

Soumya Sarkar

It is indeed such exorbitant amount and thats why students or the future managers from these B schools are more worried about repaying their loans than about contributing new knowledge in managerial science

21 Aug 2014, 10.39 AM

Debasmita Das

Final Year PDGM Student @ IIM Lucknow

I totally disagree with your view. When you are investing so much, it is your responsibility to study and prepare well. No college authority is waiting to fail the students. Faculties are ready to help whenever required. But if the students are not responsible enough to invest time in studies, rather than spent time chilling with friends or partying; the college authority is not to be blamed!!!

21 Aug 2014, 12.49 PM

Abhishek Sharma

Working with an FMCG, MBA from IIM L. Foodie, gamer, traveler, bakar.

The phenomenon is reasonable. You might disagree more, once I will say that at IIM L, one needs to fail in just more than 2 credits to fail the year(it was one credit for the 2014 batch, getting D, minimum passing grade, in 5 courses also does the trick) :) That being said, one needs to put in effort to fail. The basic requirement to pass is just being regular, and not screwing up more than two of quizzes, projects, mid-term, end-term. I had screwed everything except my project in FRA, but had passed comfortably. CAT is fairer to engineers, but MBA is fair to all (in fact, commerce students have an edge - finance, economics, law). The quant of IIM is equally challenging for everyone, engineers hadn't studied significant amount of it before. Despite that, IIM L has a mandatory Quants remedial, before the course starts, for non-engineers and people with below 90%ile in sec-1 of CAT. Pass marks is 35-40 out of 100. After that, if someone fails then the college is not to be blamed; the person had some tragedy, mismanaged his priorities , or just got lucky in the entrance exam. We had a mandatory course on Excel in 1st year. Guess what, some failed even that. Corporate is dissatisfied with MBA grads (they are pretty satisfied with most of the graduates from the two colleges you are talking about), coz some irrational recruiters expect fresh graduates to be role-ready from the very first day, which graduates are not and no form of curriculum can make them. What the curriculum/B-School life does is, to transform the person into a hard-working and resilient person who is good at managing his resources (time, priorities, aspirations). The reasonable recruiters are happy with this, coz graduates are role-ready pretty soon due to the before mentioned traits. A person who can't survive the b-school curriculum, well you do the maths.

21 Aug 2014, 10.12 PM

Sharad Gupta

Associate Professor at Delhi School of Business

Disagree with the author. Any rational recruiter does not recruit any student from any top institute (like IIMs, XLRI, FMS, etc) primarily for the job skills that the article stresses on. Recruiters come to these colleges for finding students with traits of high learning ability, adapting to challenging situations and having high performance standards. Most recruiters go satisfied. The passed out student would have these traits either due to the strict admission process or due to adaptation in 2 years. Job skills for each function and domain can't be learnt during these 2 years. Moreover, job skills do not remain constant. These change every year and sometimes every 6 months so stressing on job skills may not be a great idea. But focusing on working (& passing each trimester) in highly challenging situation with high standards (& high competition) are sure ways of success in future corporate life. These are traits which each top B-school focuses on. If someone believes that one should not need to learn any thing after graduating from a top B-school, then it is a classic case of misplaced expectations.

30 May 2015, 11.32 AM